This account just confirms what I have long thought: many JWs don't really think transfusions are wrong. But they have to appear to believe accepting one is violating God's law, and spout the company line when asked about it. This is a clear case of "turning commandments of men into laws of God," but they are so intimidated by the Borg and afraid of the consequences of thinking for themselves that they would rather die, or allow their children to die, than go against their masters.
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Blood Transfusion Permitted
by Nevuela ini just overheard an anointed acquaintance on the phone with a friend of hers who has just had surgery for cervical cancer.
among the snippets of dialogue i heard on my end of the line, these ones stood out:.
"you lost a lot of blood?
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I am an idiot..
by zeb ingoing past a 'new-age' shop today i stupidly said to my most 'uber' wife, do you want a reading?
" ..not a good idea.. oh dear.. she opened up correcting my every other word and brought in a stream of jw speak and now many hours later is still steaming under an acute cloud of sol.. oh god keep me from being so stupid; cut out my tongue, glue my teeth together.
aaarrgh!
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stan livedeath: I wish I had a born in fat controller...
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My Evening in Paris with the Mysterious Veronica
by TerryWalstrom in(recently i spent 18 days in europe in first, london, then paris, and last of all, madrid.
i was quite bedazzled by paris.
on my first night there, after a long day of sightseeing, i sat down and wrote this.).
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What a delightful story, Terry! I know you'll treasure the memory of that night forever.
By the way, my hat's off to you for resisting (the almost inevitable) impulse to hit on her. That would have ruined a magical evening. Maybe she sensed that you weren't just another pickup artist, and that allowed her to relax and indulge in a little tête-à-tête with an intriguing new acquaintance. She apparently felt safe in your presence, and that's a tribute to your gentlemanly manner. Your offer of conversation without guile or ulterior motive was probably a refreshing distraction from her grief. Congratulations, my friend, for a good deed well done.
I obviously don't have your writing talent, but I did have a similar experience many years ago, and I thank you for reminding me of it. My first time in Europe was a two week business trip, beginning in Paris. I was to join a co-worker who was already over there, and who also happened to be an unusually attractive person of the feminine persuasion. Well, I was all wide-eyed tourist who was very happy to be over there on someone else's dime. I was also happily married (at the time). So when she saw I wasn't going to be hitting on her and that I viewed her as the professional she was, she relaxed and we had a great time. She later confided that her former team leader made her feel like he was gonna pounce at any moment, and she never could quite let her guard down. On the other hand, we truly were "just friends" who had a job to do, and we worked together well. We even had a four day weekend off in Milan. We took a train through the Alps to spend one of those days in Venice. We had a very enjoyable time, and there was never a minute when either of us felt uncomfortable or awkward.
Anyway, I do hope Veronica gets in touch and enjoys your story. Could be the start of a beautiful friendship...
Kudos, my friend! Keep those stories comin'...
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Elder Is Dodgy Used Car Salesman
by pale.emperor injust thought i'd relate this story for any lurkers out there.. here in the north west of england there's an elder called george ashton.
the ashton's are a big family, most of the men are appointed as elders or at least min servants.
george owns a used car dealership and almost all jws in liverpool looking for a car have heard of him.
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redvip2000: The sad truth is that if word got around that your relative was inactive or (gasp!) an apostate, their business would dry up in a heartbeat. This could happen without any proof or evidence of any kind. The merest rumor can be the poison pill that kills a business or wrecks a career...
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Today is a BIG anniversary for me...but--of what?
by TerryWalstrom intoday is a big anniversary day for me!.
october 23, 1967, was a monday.
i stood in front of district judge leo brewster as he sentenced me to six years in federal prison.. .
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Terry, it sounds like that judge was trying to make it as easy on you as possible, but the forking Society put you between a rock and a hard place. A truly no-win situation for you. So sorry you had to go through that...
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Elder Is Dodgy Used Car Salesman
by pale.emperor injust thought i'd relate this story for any lurkers out there.. here in the north west of england there's an elder called george ashton.
the ashton's are a big family, most of the men are appointed as elders or at least min servants.
george owns a used car dealership and almost all jws in liverpool looking for a car have heard of him.
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My own rule is that I never do business with a JW unless it's a personal friend that I have complete confidence in and who just happens to be a Witness.
Of course, that situation doesn't arise very often. Those that know me are well aware that I no longer consider myself a JW. In fact, several in my family consider me a "dangerous apostate." Dangerous because I can out-reason the vast majority of them and know the Bible better than most. (Know as in "have knowledge of," as opposed to "belief in.")
Paradoxically (and thanks to Simon and this board), I often know more about the "current truth" they're supposed to believe now (after all the changes) and be ready to die for than they themselves do. More than once, when I mentioned something about the latest "new light," they scoffed and called it apostasy. The few who actually looked it up then claimed I misunderstood what they said. What they meant was...
Then it's, "Where did you get that information? It hadn't been released yet!" The source is more important than its accuracy. Go figure...
Sheesh! This forking cult is a festering boil on the butt of humanity. And so are all the others!
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Today is a BIG anniversary for me...but--of what?
by TerryWalstrom intoday is a big anniversary day for me!.
october 23, 1967, was a monday.
i stood in front of district judge leo brewster as he sentenced me to six years in federal prison.. .
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The sneaky bastards also warned people like Terry that they could not under any circumstances tell the judge they had been advised not to accept alternative service. They also could not let the judge know (wink, wink) that they would perform the alternative service if sentenced to do so. They just couldn't agree to it beforehand.
I had a first cousin who had the same travesty foisted on him that Terry did. He did his time and was forever marked because of it. But an acquaintance of mine who was about the same age as Terry and my cousin lucked out. He actually got sentenced to alternative service and served his time as an orderly in a hospital. He did such a good job that they hired him as a supervisor when his time was up.
Same situation, same conscientious decision, but very different outcomes. This is the kind of crap that happens when self-appointed religious "leaders" impose their capricious interpretations of ancient fairy tales on innocent but susceptible followers.
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"The Children Act" movie now available in iTunes
by under the radar ini just discovered yesterday than the children act, a british movie starring emma thompson based on the book by ian mcewan, is available for rent or purchase in the us itunes store.
it's $7 to rent, or $15 to buy with itunes extras included.
it's a bit higher on amazon, and is not included with amazon prime video.. i listened to the unabridged audiobook a few weeks ago and thought it was great.
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I just discovered yesterday than The Children Act, a British movie starring Emma Thompson based on the book by Ian McEwan, is available for rent or purchase in the US iTunes Store. It's $7 to rent, or $15 to buy with iTunes Extras included. It's a bit higher on Amazon, and is not included with Amazon Prime Video.
I listened to the unabridged audiobook a few weeks ago and thought it was great. The female narrator has a very pleasant British accent and sounds a bit like Emma. My wife and I listened to it while driving on vacation and thoroughly enjoyed it.
The movie follows the book very closely, probably because the same author wrote the book and the screenplay. A few things had to be compressed or omitted so the movie wouldn't be too long, but that's to be expected.
The underlying story is more about a female judge's struggle to cope with her overwhelming workload of highly emotional cases, and the sudden discovery that her marriage is in jeopardy, than with the JW case specifically. Mrs. Justice Fiona Maye (Emma Thompson) is dealing with an almost continuous stream of heartbreakingly difficult legal cases, some of which require her to make gut-wrenching life-or-death decisions regarding medical care. Lives are literally in the balance. Then she is jolted by her long-suffering husband's response to her seeming neglect of him and their long-time marriage.
The case involving a nearly adult JW boy who is refusing the blood transfusion he needs to save his life is woven throughout the story, though the specifics of the case are not really the main focus. The book and movie do a good job of explaining the views of the JWs and the doctors, though they don't get the JW theology exactly right. The one Kingdom Hall scene is entirely unrealistic, nothing at all like the excellent scenes in the Apostasy movie. No doubt it will be seized upon by JWs to discredit the whole movie, and that's a shame. Like all good stories, there is a twist at the end you don't see coming. You may think everything has been resolved fairly early in the movie, but you'd be wrong.
For what it's worth, I do recommend The Children Act. It's well worth watching. I might wish for a different, more satisfying ending, but that's true of a lot of movies I see nowadays.
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The GB's modesty knows no bounds
by neat blue dog insarcasm intended obviously 🙄.
in the intro from the latest ezekiel book:.
as youread through its 22 chapters and meditate on thebeautiful illustrations found therein, you will beamazed at all the careful research that has goneinto its preparation.. they call themselves the faithful and discreet slave, but how discreet is it really to be constantly bragging about yourself?
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The "leaders" of the Society have been evermore self-aggrandizing for as long as I can remember. I said as much to my parents, faithful and sincere JWs for decades, in a moment of frustration. They insisted that "the Brothers™ are humble!" Only out of love and respect for my parents was I able to restrain my reply to a simple, "They sure don't seem like it to me."
My problem with the Society is not that they're wrong about so many things. Heck, it's all fairy tales and fantasy anyway. Their interpretations and explanations of stories in the book of Jewish fables are not even consistent within themselves, but even that is not my main problem with them.
Their main "evil" in my book is that they require, actually demand, blind acceptance of whatever their truth du jour happens to be. What is a required belief today might have been apostasy yesterday, and may be apostasy tomorrow. And those who saw what is now accepted Truth™ a bit early and were castigated (or worse) for it will remain "apostates" because they "ran ahead of Jehovah's chariot." The self-appointed GODs (Guardians Of Doctrine) in New York demand their followers believe what they say, when they say it, and not a minute before or a minute later than when it's deemed "current truth." All under the threat of something a JW fears worse than death: being labeled an apostate and thrown out.
Something even worse may be coming down the road. The sheeple are being conditioned to "obey whatever instructions" they may receive, even if they seem foolish or don't make sense from a strategic standpoint. Who knows what evil or self-destructive things the Society's blindly obedient lemmings may be ordered to do.
There are few things more dangerous than people who have turned their thinking over to someone else. Unquestioning obedience has never worked out well in the end.
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Court documents reveal Watchtower's tactics in Montana child abuse case
by LevelThePlayingField inthere were numerous objections and claims that watchtower lawyers made to try and get out of being held responsible for their negligence and malice.
here’s the juicy ones:.
montana is a mandatory reporting state, but watchtower lawyers claimed that the law for reporting abuse only applies to “individuals” and they are “corporations”.
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They're dug in too deep to see an obvious solution: They could just say Nu-Lite™ has revealed that the two witness rule only applies to congregational action and that they now realize that any potential criminal cases must be reported to authorities to protect the Borg from being accused of condoning or covering up criminal conduct. It's simply a matter of "rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's."
I think the GODs (Guardians of Doctrine) in New York are just too blinded by fear of looking bad to realize that if they immediately reported accusations of child abuse and let the law take its course, it would actually enhance the Borg's reputation. They could say they're not taking congregational action "until the matter is established," but are restricting the accused's "privileges" to avoid the appearance of impropriety. Then they could claim to be law abiding instead of having the reputation of protecting molesters and doing nothing to protect children, all to avoid looking bad. They railed against the Catholic Church for decades for doing the exact same thing.